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While J2b-PH502>Y40852 branched from its ancestor at some point during the Iron Age (c. 5th century BCE), the MRCA was born during Late Antiquity (c. 3rd century CE). This leads me to believe that this lineage expanded southwards during the Roman imperial period (consolidating somewhere between Herzegovina and Kosova), and that it represents a native Illyrian branch that was consequently Romanised prior to the Slavic migrations.The Erzyas you mentioned form a medieval branch under J2b-PH502>FT195999, with the TMRCA dating to the 11th century CE. Considering how broad the formation-TMRCA gap is (c. 475 BCE-1075 CE) and the fact that the parallel branch is found in the Balkans with a Late Antique TMRCA, I think its most certain that J2b-FT195999 expanded northwards from the Balkans during the Middle Ages and was not a branch associated with the early Slavs.As for the issue of ethno-linguistic identity, the current data doesn’t really allow us to determine for how long your ancestors have been Serbs or for how long the Albanian sample’s ancestors have identified as Albanians; although I imagine it has been for a good number of centuries. I see that the Albanian and Serb from Raška share an MRCA who lived during the 11th century, I think its quite possible that they both descend from Vlachs that lived between SW Serbia and Kosova.
Hey there Marko, welcome to the forum!
It is clear from the ancient DNA record that branches of J2b-Z38240, such as J2b-PH1602, were historically most concentrated in the Dalmatian coast and adjacent areas in the (north-)western Balkans, being especially associated with the Cetina culture and later derived Illyrian populations. It is clear from the current data that these Illyrian populations did not play a major role in the genetic formation of the Albanians, rather southern Illyrian peoples that were not as heavy in J2b-Z38240 fulfilled this role. Branches of J2b-L283 best associated with the ancestors of the Albanians include: J2b-PH4679, J2b-Y82533 etc.
I believe that J2b-Y40852 could represent a line that expanded southwards during the Roman period and was eventually Romanised, expanding with Balkan Romance groups that would eventually develop into the Vlachs who would consequently spread it.
Sigurisht.
Kosova (n=21)
- E-V13: 38.10% (8/21)
- J2b-L283: 14.29% (3/21)
- R1b-CTS9219: 9.52% (2/21)
- I1-Z58: 9.52% (2/21)
- R1b-L23: 4.76% (1/21)
- R1b-PF7558: 4.76% (1/21)
- R1a-L1029: 4.76% (1/21)
- R1a-CTS3402: 4.76% (1/21)
- I2a-S17250: 4.76% (1/21)
- I2a-P78: 4.76% (1/21)
Maqedonia e Veriut (n=13)
- J2b-L283 (përfshin një mostër nën J2b-Z631): 23.08% (3/13)
- E-V13 (përfshin një mostër nën E-L241): 15.38% (2/13)
- I2a-CTS616: 15.38% (2/13)
- R1b-BY250: 7.69% (1/13)
- R1b-U152: 7.69% (1/13)
- R1b-L23: 7.69% (1/13)
- R1b-P25_1: 7.69% (1/13)
- R1a-L1029: 7.69% (1/13)
- J2a-L26: 7.69% (1/13)
Mali i Zi (n=13)
- J2b-L283: 53.85% (7/13)
- E-V13: 15.38% (2/13)
- R1b-CTS9219: 15.38% (2/13)
- J2b-M205: 7.69% (1/13)
- J1-M267: 7.69% (1/13)
Cili është mbiemri i kësaj ndeshjeje nga Okshtun?
Unë pyes sepse shumica e Okshtun (përfshirë veten time) është L1029. megjithatë, ne jemi vetëm M417 në 23andme.
jam kurioz nëse ndeshja juaj Okshtun i përket një vëllazërie të testuar më parë në YSEQ ose nëse kjo është një nga të paktat e mbetura të paprovuara
Mostra nga Okshtuni, sipas mbiemrit, eshte edhe ne databazen e projektit. Pra eshte nga nje familje e testuar.
Pjesa 4/4:
– Kukës: I2a-L460>P37>M423>L621>Y3120>S17250– Krujë: I2a-L460>P37>M423>L621>Y3120>S17250– Gostimë, Cërrik: I2a-L460>P37>M423>L621>Y3120>S17250– Vlorë: I2a-L460>P37>M423>L621>Y3120>Z17855– Burimas, Devoll: I2a-L460>P37>M423>L621>Y3120>PH908>Z16983– Kavajë: I2a-L460>P37>M423>L161– Petrelë, Tiranë: I2a-M223>L701>S25733– Shkodër: G2-P15>L30>M406>M3302– Mborje, Korçë: G2-P15>L30>M406>Z17887– Krongj, Finiq: G2-P15>L30>PF3359>F872– Fterrë, Himarë: T1a-M70>L131>Y6033/L446Pjesa 3/4:
– Tropojë: R1b-CTS9219– Shkodër: R1b-CTS9219– Radomirë, Dibër: R1b-CTS9219– Burgajet, Mat: R1b-CTS9219– Tiranë: R1b-CTS9219– Kavajë: R1b-CTS9219– Elbasan: R1b-CTS9219– Vranisht, Himarë: R1b-CTS9219– Shkodër: R1b-M269>L51>L52>L151>P312>U152– Berat: R1b-M269>L51>L52>L151>P312>U152>L2– Okshtun, Bulqizë: R1a-M417>Z283>M458>CTS11962>L1029– Korçë: R1a-M417>Z283>Z280>CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402Pjesa 2/4:
– Kelmend; Vermosh, Malësi e Madhe: J2b-L283– Grudë; Koplik, Malësi e Madhe: J2b-L283– Rrash-Kullaj, Malësi e Madhe: J2b-L283– Krasniqe; Dragobi, Tropojë: J2b-L283– Nikaj; Curraj i Epërm, Tropojë: J2b-L283– Krumë, Has: J2b-L283– Shkodër: J2b-L283– Nënshat, Vau i Dejës: J2b-L283– Trebisht, Bulqizë: J2b-L283– Priskë e Madhe, Tiranë: J2b-L283– Gramsh: J2b-L283– Tepelenë: J2b-L283– Gjirokastër: J2b-L283>Z638>Z1297>Z1295>Z631– Zall-Bastar, Tiranë: J2b-M205– Lezhë: J2a-M410>L26– Libohovë: J1-M267>Z2215/CTS5368Ky rezultat hedhe poshte gojedhenen qe lidh Paljevicet me vellazerine malazeze Sarapa (me gjasa R1b-BY18860).
Turkoviç, Podgorice: E-V13>Z5018>Z16661>BY168279>Y174869>BY165837>BY167606
Turkoviçet jane familje e qytetit te Podgorices. Familja qe kreu testin nuk ka nje perkatesi te lidhur me fiset e medha te Malesise dhe Berdes. Rezultati sugjeron prejardhje nga fisi Kuç, perfshire vellazerite pasardhese te Lale Drekalit (Drekaloviçet), si dhe lidhje ne vije aterore me Kojen e Kuçit dhe Trieshin. Prejardhja me e larget mund te jete nga nje zone e Shqiperise veri-perendimore.
Shume interesante. Eshte nje familje ne Podgorice e quajtur Turkoviq qe kan prejardhjen nga nje djal i Lal Drekalit, dhe nje grua nga Kastrati, i cili ishte quajtur Vuka dhe u konvertua ne Islam. Sipas rezultatit, besoj qe mund te jene te njejtin fis.
